‘I shall depart today, for the Emperor. . The Emperor did not love His sons. An Emperor who can still speak clearly and say something like "you will assume this title and do these tasks" is not an Emperor that Guilliman would renounce. The very idea of words seemed ridiculous, the concept of them a grievous harm against the equilibrium of. Guilliman saved her from execution and put her into his newly formed geek squad that tries to uncover true history. In Dark Imperium it states that Guilliman did speak to the emperor telepathically and the emperor's mind has strengthened to completely new levels however he has lost his patience and humanity in the process, living as a consciousness. '. There's other ways to give a daemon a true death as well. "Listen to me, Roboute," the light ghost hisses. ’ ‘I am not holy,’ said Guilliman. He knows Cypher is not freeing him out of the kindness of his heart but is using Guilliman to his own ends. During Roboute's absence, Konor Guilliman's co-consul, a man name Gallan, had unleashed a coup d'etat against Konor -- a development far from unknown historically, if in this instance a surprise. Guilliman turns, finds another, punches his giant fist through the legionary’s torso, and pulls it out, ripping out his backbone. The Word Bearers' way of war had annoyed him. He awoke from death to find himself fighting a war he thought he had won a hundred centuries before. In the end a compromise was wrought between them. The few crew on the command deck tried very hard not to listen in. Guilliman is a Warrior King Statesman there to stabilize the Empire and stop (or slow) the rot. The Primarchs are already called demigods throughout Godblight. What horrors you have endured, I cannot imagine. Guilliman came back from something that should have killed him. As you say, Guilliman does spend a lot of time in the Heresy on Imperium. Guilliman stared back, his expression hidden by the muzzle of his helmet. Rogal Dorn and Diocletian (the resident Custodes) began to butt head over the issue, so Kaeria the Silent Sister have some thing to say (sign). Meanwhile, the worlds that the Word Bearers were bringing in to the fold of the Imperium were brought in with minimal bloodshed, but it often took them decades to bring a single planet or system in. - Plague War. He kinda did. But lets face it, if Horus wanted to, he could kill his 3 brothers in mere seconds. CryptoGuilliman assumes control of the entire military apparatus of the Imperium as Lord Commander with the Emperor's explicit blessing. In Unremembered Empire, Guilliman is the lone Primarch in charge of Ultramar, blocked from Terra by the Ruinstorm. ’ ‘Failure. The line of Custodian guards parted at the center to allow him to stand before the Lion. The Silent King looms over him, ready to stab him through the heart. You may recall that we teased this battle in the run-up to the launch of Warhammer+ when we took a peek behind the scenes to discover how the Garden of Iax. He behaved like a prisoner locked in an iron cage who is passed a rasp. Saying the exact same thing in 40k is heresy of the highest order because in 40k the Emperor is a god and is intrinsic to the Imperium he rules. I want to see someone roll up to Guilliman and just deliver a blistering, no-holds-barred, "You fuckers all ran off or died or vanished and left us and your father here to fend for our fucking selves, so we did what we had to in order to. 'Guilliman. Here's Guilliman, last of the Primarchs - that aren't dead, disappeared or turned into puppets of the Four. Guilliman's resurrection was symbolic of hope rekindled for the Imperium but he's got this dirty little secret which is that the entire 40k Imperium is FUBAR and has just about zero chance of ascending to its former glory. Guilliman wins, either through the power of the faith humanity has in him or by being super-charged by the Emperor. A Custodian of clear authority strode towards the Throne, with a massive golden hammer in one of his hands and his helm in the other. Guilliman is the Imperial Regent - he talked to and got the approval from the Emperor. Still new to the lore, sorry for my ignorance. Life_South_907 Dark Angels • 1 yr. Share. ’ His voice softened further, becoming yet more human, and his heroic expression did not change exactly, but he somehow became more relatable. One of the Emporer's Primarch's, Guilliman, once had an audience with the Emperor behind closed doors. Which makes sense, given his particular talents and strengths. To my knowledge, the Lion hasn't had a lot of experience with politics. ‘Roboute Guilliman. Before Roboute reunited with his real father, the Emperor, he was taken care of by Konor Guilliman, one of the two Consuls of Macragge. They were things. I find this hard to believe due to a couple of reasons below. Nor did the Emperor. The building whoop of powerful weapons charging rang out across the heavens. The Emperor spoke and did not speak. ‘Hope. Guilliman has very different goals for the Imperium than the Emperor did. In fact that's probably what made him one of the most adjusted and functional Primarchs, He suffered Loss and Failure, BEFORE The Emperor Arrived and that made him more introspective and self-critical, Rather than pushing all blame onto The. They need training in proper language, education, civics, science, etc. ‘You remember it,’ continued Guilliman. In fealty to Sesc Company, of the Rout, of the Vlka Fenryka. Guilliman and Lorgar together could have built an empire so sound in body and soul it would have outshone the Emperor's wildest dreams. The first, Fulgrim and the Emperor's Children represented the pinnacle of space marines. The chance of them betraying now was very, very low. He still believes he is. The very idea of words seemed ridiculous, the concept of them a grevious harm against the equilibrium of time and being. . Well, Rogal did say the Emperor's delusions were growing worse. com In Dark Imperium it states that Guilliman did speak to the emperor telepathically and the emperor's mind has strengthened to completely new levels however he has lost his patience and humanity in the process, living as a consciousness in a rotten corpse for over 10,000 years would probably do that to you though so Guilliman continued his efforts to free his arm while he spoke. Magos Lehm, next one. He does acknowledge that some might see his actions as traitorous to the Imperium, but his goal was saving. Instead of sending the boy to his doom, Guilliman instead adopts him, and raises as his own son rather than forge him into a tool for the Imperium. ‘The Emperor Himself,’ said Valeneez deferentially. ‘Guilliman. Guilliman spun the sword around, pivoting over crossed feet, executing a full turn, and. oh lord, Leg's head is going to explode. At some point you must realize that there exists things other then governance. And that for me makes him a candidate for emperor. ‘Tjejren was a servant of the Emperor once. Horus is the brightest star and you carry your father’s face, but Guilliman’s heart and soul are cast in the Emperor’s image. Unlike the Emperor who left them to die by teleporting Angron away. ’ ‘He will kill you, my lord. Said faith deifies the Emperor and, therefore, Guilliman himself, something which gets him pretty fired up. Guilliman, one presumes, heeded the warning. Colquan glared him. As a politicians he was ready to fight for reforms that he thought was right, despite the fact that they would also hurt him and in the end he was killed for doing what was right. Together, Konor and Roboute united much of the planet and put forward many neccessary, but unpopular reforms (well, unpopular amongs the. ‘I say that you fear too much, and that Roboute Guilliman is a true son of the Emperor,’ said Achallor. He's no longer the Emperor's assassin. The Emperor did not love His sons. Some daemons can't be killed. Lion: would want to reform his legion and finish off Luther. CryptoThe Consul said that people needed the light of hope in this dark hour, a shining example of victory to renew their faith not just in the Emperor, but in Guilliman reborn. ‘Hope. He did not hear them at all. Well, with less. Mortarion was trying to pull all of ultramar into warp and needed to kill Guilliman by disease but he ended up calling to emperor who set fire to the garden. "Guilliman. ’. There is only survival. So that was exactly what he did. Does Guilliman ever say anything directly in the lore about the matter? I get that Tzeentch can and does create entities to confuse and twist the minds of men to subvert the Imperium away from its. Thus spoke Roboute Guilliman in 41K. And that death would crack the morale of the Imperium Sanctus. Emperor meeting with Imperator Guilliman of Ultramar Empire together with President Angron of Nurceria would be hilarious. Guilliman was nobility writ large, a monument in flesh. Guilliman has landed at the heart of the Imperium. In the new lore the Emperor didn't consider the Primarchs his sons but rather tools to be used and discarded. ’ ‘Fight me, you coward,’ growled Guilliman. The Emperor of the East Roman Empire who even though he tried could not restore the West. Guilliman could use the buff. Then you have wise and morally good Khan and Guilliman. ’. With that he forced Frater Mathieu to accept Guilliman's offer of militant-apostolic office. ’. Even with all the work he managed to do, he'd be deemed another horus by all those who believe in the Emperor as a God and it'll be a civil war the imperium can't afford. ’ Guilliman looked at the girl’s mutilated body. The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a favourite tool that he thought lost. injures Nurgle himself implicaton is that while this was a massive, MASSIVE, strain on the Emperor's power, he WILL do it again After his resurrection, Roboute Guilliman has gained an audience with his father, the Emperor of Mankind. Inquisition hides the body and kills any witnesses. The Emperor's light was blinding, all encompassing, but finally - finally - Guilliman had seen it as a whole. Credits:Rowboat Girlyman art by Adrián Prado: Divina by. Why did the Emperor set up basically tyrannical government. The Emperor appreciates that and it’s why he is so favored, along with his pretty independent action, which probably screws with the Lion’s head to no end. ’ He heard all these at once. Khan: would want to reform his legion and operate as a voidborne force. ‘We were there together. Then calls them over for negotiations, they seem him and can't believe it. Upon looking at all the available primarch weapons though, his seems to be the weakest one out of all of them. ‘Lorgar was wrong about our creator. Why did the Emperor speak to Guilliman but the High Lords of Terra have to rely on pure happenstance with The Emperor's Tarot to try to determine the Emperor's Will when governing the Imperium? Reply replyIn the wake of the Emperor's death, Roboute Guilliman finds a child of unusual psychic strength, and senses a strong bond with the boy. He wants to reunite humanity again and destroy the old doctrine of idolatry towards the emperor in order to lead humanity to the right path. But I have reasons to believe otherwise. Where before Roboute Guilliman had sat, a pale, stasis-locked revenant, now the Primarch stood awake, alert and very much alive. Titus Prayto held his master’s stare and nodded confirmation. It was the look of the blindly faithful. People think that Mathieu, by going against Guilliman's will and possibly beginnign his conversion to the Imperial Cult, is evil. 1 more reply. 21. Reply reply. The Emperor will tolerate the dreams of his sons–but only insofar as they don't interfere with their actual jobs. He know by spurning his brother's beliefs so bluntly he had hastened the end of everything the Emperor Believed in. The dawn of a new age of supremacy for humanity beckons. With words of light and fire, the Emperor had conferred with His returned primarch, the last of his finest creations. Nurgle's garden is incinerated. Shamed, Helbrecht promoted a number of his most seasoned Sword Bretheren to the rank of Marhsal and bade them muster new crusades, into whose ranks the Black Templars. Guilliman would have made a good Warmaster, he would have been able to handle the burdens placed upon him by Terra much better than Horus did, Guilliman already experienced in running a large administration. Quel Tarin · 3/3/2021. He ascended to sainthood. He says He’s just pragmatic, as a single weakness would. Roboute and the Emperor. I was always told the God Emperor’s Sword was one of the most powerful melee weapons in the galaxy, able to permanently kill demons in an instant. - Dark Imperium. Yes, last crusaders from destroyed Cadia assisted Guilliman when he woke up. The galaxy is turning on its head. ’ ‘Guilliman. He was before a resplendent Emperor for all the ages. ‘It appears you do, my lord,’ said Prayto quietly, ‘if you are one of the sons of mankind’s Emperor. Well, with less. Dante had seen the primarch before, shut away in a stasis field in the Fortress of Hera on Macragge, where he had sat a second from death for most of the Imperium's history. Guilliman stopped his walking and looked down at the woman. Eventually, Mortarian and the Death Guard were summoned back to the Scourge Stars, which had come under threat from the War in the Rift. ‘Tell me that you did it. Both the Emperor and Malcador hint that Guilliman was their back up and they intended for him to take over should the Emperor be lost. Didnt Guilliman say something along the lines of that the Emperors humanity is gone? And now hes just simply cold logical and uncaring. 6. He also knows that pushing too hard will lead to civil war. He could not countenance the thought. Then, the way he coalesces different versions of himself from across the galaxy so that he can have a coherent enough mind and personality to speak with Guilliman - I didn't specifically imagine it this way but it made perfect sense. That's why people see Him differently and interpret His words in different ways (like how the Custodes heard Him referring to the Primarchs as numbers, Land sees him as the Omnissiah, etc. Guilliman is far more adult than Lion, Lion is an ill tempered, socially awkward commander who relies on the charisma of others to pull through, man literally starts a punch out with Russ over petty shit, almost comes to blows with Sanguinius and Guilliman (LOL) he’s a pretty immature dude. At the end of Godblight, Roboute Guilliman is Emperor possessing Guiliman, like how some believe he did to the child in Plague Wars. Guilliman still calls himself Guilliman and is power is white rather than the gold that you see from the Emperor. At the same time, he's growing more and more unsure that the Emperor ISN'T a god. You will not wield it against me. The Emperor was never a god, denied He was a god and has been wrongly elevated by men who see power and mistake it for divinity. When Guilliman went into stasis he was objectively a loyal servant of the Emperor. The books are quite enjoyable and brought out some great contradictions between Guilliman and the God-Emperor religion. Then the hateful rumours from Isstvan, of treacherous masquerade and false colours, were true. He did not hear them at all. Mortarion was trying to pull all of ultramar into warp and needed to kill Guilliman by disease but he ended up calling to emperor who set fire to the garden. It is unknown to any but Guilliman whether or not Guilliman actually had any communication with his father during his time in the throne room, but I say it didn't happen, maybe it was all in his head, and here is why: It is said that Lion El'Johnson, mortally wounded during his fight with Luther, was taken in secret by the Watchers in the Dark. Buffeted by the full might of the Emperor's will unclothed in flesh, a cloak had been ripped from Guilliman's eyes. Thus, by definition, the Inquisition is his to command. ’ Guilliman forced himself to look up into the pillar of light, the screaming of souls, the empty-eyed skull, the impassive god, the old man, yesterday’s saviour. That's the 9 loyal Primarchs, all had reasons for staying loyal. When Guilliman had his initial conversation with the Emperor after returning, he finds this out. And if the High Lords wish to deny the authority of the Regent, know that they deny themselves to legitimacy of leadership of the Imperium, for they succeeded the Council of Terra on orders of Guilliman's reformation of the Imperium. 92). ’ ‘The Night Haunter?’ Sulymanya whispered. Guilliman was a rationalist, Lorgar was a quester after metaphysical truths. Having your father tell you your simply a weapon after 10,000 years sleeping and hundreds before that fighting in the Emperors name might fuck with your confidence a little bit. . Sanguinius, What transpires on the surface of the Throneworld, I cannot say. These additions are joined by a very special episode of Battle Report, which recreates the colossal clash between brothers Roboute Guilliman and Mortarion in a narrative play game. His work was all for nothing. Others are not positive like when he called him a tool to be used, and he calls him a Betrayer for setting up Imperium Secundus. Suffice to say, yes Guilliman hasn't "rescued" the imperium as a whole, shit is still fucked in the 41st millennium, however if he hadn't of returned, it is likely the forces of chaos would be likely to have overwhelmed the imperium by now, Roboutes efforts and the primaris reinforcements have simply balanced the scales. The very idea of words seemed ridiculous, the concept of them a grievous harm against the equilibrium of time and being. Templars- Sounds right. An Imperium that is larger, stronger, faithful and united. Guilliman seems to have been more flexible in his execution, allowing commanders of forces to dictate new tactics as necessary while he did the same with the forces he commanded directly. Vulkan disapears at some point befoee Guilliman os wounded and but later reappears over a 1000 years later. If the Emperor wins, it will most likely be close to how he won in the old lore - by Horus giving him an oppotunity because of distraction. The Emperor had access to. So, we know that Guilliman talked with the. Guilliman literally had an empire. Guilliman is the Emperor’s favorite son. The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a favourite tool that he thought lost. That being said, Custodes and Guilliman are in good terms, Guilliman has 10 Custodes, 3 terminators and 5 wardens (Custode veterans) and the second highest ranking Csutode as part of his body guards. He said and did what he had to so he could escape. He may yet serve. It is very likely that the Emperor did more in his trip besides obtain the stuff to create the primarchs. Do we know if the Emperor instructed Guilliman to do. No, at no point did the Emperor intend humanity to move en masse into the Webway. Leman: “Well frack me and call me a Fenrisian wenches bitch, yer actually did it ye utter mad lad. The priest shrugged. They were the only legion permitted to use the Aquilla. - YouTube 0:00 / 27:34 THE EMPEROR SPEAKS! TRUTH OF HIS CONVERSATION WITH GUILLIMAN! Wolf Lord Rho 120K subscribers Subscribe 9. Guilliman had no illusions. . Having your father tell you your simply a weapon after 10,000 years sleeping and hundreds before that fighting in the Emperors name might fuck with your confidence a little bit. Guilliman's difficulties do not even begin to approximate those faced by the Emperor. The demons refer to him as The Anathema and Mortarion refers to him as "Father". NONE of this is to say Guilliman is a bad person. ‘Death to the false Emperor,’ said the voice Guilliman had thought belonged to Aeonid Thiel. "The Emperor was working on a timeline that didn’t have much wiggle room That said, he did tell Land that the Nails were the only thing keeping Angron alive and he couldn’t remove them without killing him, so it’s also possible the the Nails have damaged Angron in a way that prevents the Emperor from fixing him after deathMortarion already had quite a bit to say about the appointment of Horus, imagine adding conflicted loyalties and "local" politics to that as well. ’ The raging tempest spoke his name, and it was as the violence a dying sun rains upon its worlds. Based on the available information, the Emperor became stronger after his trip to Molech from first hand sources such as Alivia Sureka. The plan was 3-fold. The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a favourite tool that he thought lost. The Lion survived a planet exploding. One of the most important points in the current Warhammer 40k lore is the encounter between Primarch Roboute Guilliman and the Emperor of Mankind from Warhammer 40000. Szarekh, seeming more than a little bored, just no-sells the entire fight until Bobby G sees some pattern in his style and adapts to match it, scoring one (1) pretty big hit. Why didn't the Emperor pick Guilliman instead of Horus? Guilliman is a legendary administrator, and every planet he conquered he managed to develop into a purely. Did the emperor love his primarch sons? In the indometus era Guilliman is said to have contemplated this upon his meeting with the Emperor. The Emperor spoke and did not speak. ‘Does He not speak to you?’ The unbearable radiance enfolded Guilliman, so glaring Mortarion threw. 49. I want to hear you say it. I think this is a cool scene because you have a human Imperial arguing against the Emperor being a God which is very rare imo. Dante is sick but has been leading a chapter only, 1000 marines give or take. ‘I can never believe that,’ he said. ’ A blasphemy intended to provoke the priest. He also knows that pushing too hard will lead to civil war. Fan base takes that and runs all the way to “THEY FUKKED, GUILLIMAN IS A XENO LOVER. I mean, if the chamber militant of the inquisition that are the Grey Knights look to be siding with him, I think pretty much any marine chapter (outside of say, DA and Minotaurs) will. By breaking the legion Guilliman wanted to send a message to the other traitor legions that their best could be broken. The very idea of words seemed ridiculous, the concept of them a grievous harm against the equilibrium of time and being. That's true, but I thought you were talking mainly pre-heresy, because now it's obvious Guilliman won't like his traitor brothers. Thanks to MANSCAPED for sponsoring today's video! Get 20% OFF + Free International Shipping with my promo code "MAJORKILL" at meets the Emperor in 40k and is shocked when he understands that his "father" doesn't give two shits about his "son" returning. When the Emperor appears to Magnus during the Siege, He projects into Magnus’ mind as a glowing sun-god and they burn through the warp together, moving through billions of years in moments. Maybe he is forced to do something that upsets the Ecliasarchy and Inquisition and as a. He can insist that he thought the Emperor was dead all he wants but in 40k that’s not the mitigating circumstances, it’s the crime. So communication and Travel was more unreliable and harder than normal. ” “No, it is too important… even if what you say is true, I cannot return to Caliban yet. Guilliman tried to remember how tall the. I think there's a difference between channeling into a mind and making something's warp presence of your own image. Templars- Absolutely!It was made pretty clear in the Dark Imperium Novels that Guilliman largely disapproves of the Ecclesiarchy and, in general, the religion created around the Emperor. On the face of it, Guilliman has spent every waking moment working. He reached out, and the Emperor’s Sword appeared in his hand, and burned with the fires of a thousand suns. '. Mathieu smiled. ‘Father, I have returned. In the new lore the Emperor didn't consider the Primarchs his sons but rather tools to be used and discarded. Yeah, but guilliman and his forces are generally enough to deal with it. There’s a whole lot of Guilliman interacting with characters that are basically props for Guilliman to interact with, some Primaris Space Marine Inceptor™ product placement, and then it sorta just runs out of pages without really ending. Some are positive like Greatest Accomplishment, Most Loyal Son, Last Remaining Hope. People say the Lion would hate the way the modern Imperium functions, but the only thing he would really object to. You and your ilk forget that to the peril of us all. ‘His actions enrage you, and yet he eluded you,’ said Guilliman. However, I don’t think that’s going to be the case, because the Lion and Guilliman are not going to be on the same page. Jarax · 8/9/2017. To be honest, I didn’t like the book. -Guilliman was misguided in thinking the Emperor was dead, and he did plan on making another Empire. ’ ‘Disappointment. The being he had thought of as a father could hide nothing from him. Despite her fiery personality Euten was extremely loyal and matronly to Guilliman and the Ultramarines Primarch in turn would share his misgivings and weaknesses with her in private. Guilliman had no illusions. Right now Chaos has three wayward brothers, and Guilliman could use some help. He didn't create any more because it was a failed experiment. Guilliman- I’m also Lord Commander of the Imperium, and our last, best hope to save humanity. ‘Guilliman is your father’s echo, heart and soul. The seeming fact that Dorn held this position in Guilliman's stead until essentially the moment Guilliman arrived, at which point Dorn immediately abdicated and Guilliman took up the role, indicates to me that there was a pre-existing understanding of some sort that Guilliman would take the overall reigns in the Emperor's prolonged absence. ’. In fact that entire section of Roboute Guilliman's fandom page seems to be the entire chapter almost. He had hoped for better from the Primarch. The Emperor said it Himself, guilliman is an empirebuilder, more an administrator. ‘He created me, but I assure you, priest, that He was no father. Sectors are fairly large though. He heard all these at once. While guilliman learns from mistakes and gradually become better, horus is impossibly good. Guilliman literally had an empire. It was always the Lion doing stuff Guilliman hated. A subreddit for the lore and stories encompassing the dark future of the Warhammer 40,000 franchise…I'd say its either Marius Gage, Valentus Dolor or Aoenid Thiel. Option 2: After 10k years of being tortured by a glorified toilet seat, He's got no time to lose on being nice and shit and Guilliman thinking "He must've always. ''I cannot say, my lord,' said Valdor. 1. This again would lead to a pretty close brotherhood between the two. ‘He is not my father,’ Guilliman said. The sacrifice required to keep the Emperor alive sickened the primarch. ’ Mathieu took a step backwards. Big Papa Blue shows up, wipes the floor with them tactically. ’ He heard all these at once. He did not hear them at all. Jarax · 8/9/2017. Gives a speech about the glory of slaying the enemy, but doesn't actually care, just wants to hold the Warband together. ‘He was also. ‘That axe looks sharp enough to me, brother,’ said Guilliman. Inspired and masterminded by the return of the legendary Primarch, the Ultramar Campaign was soon won, with the resurgent Imperial. Chapters are not beholden to anyone. ‘Yes,’ Mathieu smiled serenely. ‘He is not a god,’ said Guilliman out loud. Context: The Imperials leaders are having a "discussion", regarding the war in the Webway, especially about the Emperor's edict of secrecy. He lets Guilliman keep the 500 Worlds both to keep him occupied doing what he was designed to do, and to act as a 'second foundation' to the Imperium. Better that we had all burned in the fire of Horus' ambition than lived to see this. Essentially, he's basically in control of the entire Imperium. After some time in the sanctum imperalis Roboute comes out and only says that he had "received all the. You cannot give up on one without giving up on the other. The priest shrugged. A lot of people believe that the Lion will start a civil war against Guilliman after waking up and seeing what the Imperium has become. So he gets resurrected after clearing the black legion from Ultramar he decides to visit Big E, after surving every fuck you chaos can throw at him. I believe this excerpt from Dawn of Fire: The Gate of Bones gives the clearest answer we've had so far. Guilliman is effectively dead on the floor during most of the exchange. Guilliman was more clinical, considered. He used Cypher to his own ends too. It seems that Guilliman is just accepting that some people aren't just going to change because he says so. Guilliman has tried for over a decade to convince the Imperium and its leaders that the Emperor is not a god, with no success. The Emperor’s light was blinding, all encompassing, but finally – finally – Guilliman had seen it as a whole. ‘My father is no god. It isn't disrespect to Guilliman so much as devotion to the Emperor alone. As soon as it turns sunshine and rainbows it's not 40k anymore. And while yes, that generally means the stakes must be high, he also has enough firepower to deal with said situation, meaning the guardsmen will be forced back away from that local area to make way for astartes, custodes, sisters of battle/silence. ’ ‘Betrayer. He was there to watch the primarch. This is the first time in 9000 years that someone with working legs has actually outranked an Inquisitor Lord. Meanwhile, the worlds that the Word Bearers were bringing in to the fold of the Imperium were brought in with minimal bloodshed, but it often took them decades to bring a single planet or system in. IMO Abbadon < Guilliman < Chaos-Empowered Abbadon = Emperor-Empowered Guilliman. It could very well still be that the Siege took too long and Guilliman and his accumulated forces entered the Sol system leaving Horus no choice but to act right then. ’Even the Mournival say something along these lines, telling Horus that he can't risk fighting anymore because he needs to deal with administrating and managing the Crusade. I also suspect a Guilliman vs Abaddon 1v1 would be deeply interesting if done right. ‘Your killer. Curze has the truth of it, but I was blinded by my anger. Guilliman stated that his time on the throne made him "lose his subtlety", so instead of seeing the Emperor however he used to see him telling him he was a good boy, he got a painful light accidentally letting slip that he doesn't really care about him as a person. He had not. To nobody's surprise Imperium is not very good with timekeeping and preserving true history. Sanguinius fell, he had the carry the Emperor back from the vengeful spirit, and his sons did the brunt of the line work on the walls. Guilliman is best described as disingenuous, unscrupulous, power-hungry, obsessively controlling, and self-deluded. He did not hear then at all. A literal hope in the Emperor's vision for mankind. IndySoccerFan25 • 6 yr. Guilliman, all his brothers, were nothing but a means to an end. The whole practical/theoretical thing isn't what normal people do, because normal people have feelings making up the difference.